'Pride Month'

But why do we need a pride month, Publicity is for people who want people to come buy a product, are we publisising gays because we want more to join them?

 

if you don't want to see gays, switch to a different channel. there are christian radio stations for a reason.

 

I've already explained pride month on this thread many times. No, nobody wants more people to "join them". It's a push for social acceptance. As for publicity, people are just showing it more often on TV. It's to normalize them.

 

representation, sweetheart. If you never see people like you on TV then you don't think you're normal and will hide these differences. Also, what do you mean by over televised??? ?? There's 5 leading characters who are queer currently on tv. five. Four of those five are white gay men. My eyes hurt from all the straights on tv.

 

That's a short-sighed viewpoint there. Sexuality makes absolutely no difference. I'm a human, you're a human. That is literally all the representation you need. You're no different than anyone else in this world.

 

that's a viewpoint you're privileged to have since you don't lack representation. My representation is tragedy and death.

 

You're representation is humanity, and there is 7 billion of us. Again, you are no different than anyone else in this world. You're exactly the same. There is nothing more or less special about you.

But you're right, there is a lot of us blue collar hard working people out there. I am represented very well by my fellow factory workers.

 

You don't get to say I'm no different than anyone else in the world when we're still on such an uneven footing. People have fought us for wanting to get married like anyone else, having kids like anyone else, going to restaurants, having a job, or even just showing any public affection. We get killed for being "just like everyone else". We have to create safe spaces for people like us, where we can truly be like anyone else. And then we get slaughtered there.

 

I do get to say that because you are exactly on the same level I am. You're a human being, just like me, and your gender, race, or sexuality makes no difference in this. You are exactly the same as everyone else.

Just like people fought Catholics from marrying Protestants, Jews to gentiles, whites to blacks, blacks to whites, asians to blacks, and everything else. Don't be naive, people in this world are stupid and it's silly to expect all that to just change. Everyone deserves exactly the same rights as everyone else, and they also deserve the same treatment. This includes how you view yourselves, why should anyone view you as exactly the same if you don't also view yourself as that?

Is it private property? Then people should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Don't like it? Don't frequent that establishment, and push for a boycott of that establishment. That's the cost and benefit of living in a free society.

I don't want to see your public affection just like I don't want to see everyone else's public affection.

From what I understand about the example you are using, Orlando. The perpetrator was not only a regular customer of this establishment, and used multiple dating apps - But he also scouted other locations.

Approximately 600 LGBT have been killed in the last 15 months.

In comparison, 27 people die daily from alcohol related vehicle accidents.
Or the fact that 91 Americans are killed every day from gun violence alone

I suspect that the situation is that the world is a violent place, and people from "your group" die just as much as people from every other group in the world.

Overall my point is: Your sexuality does not matter, your gender does not matter, your race does not matter. Equality is being treated exactly the same as everyone else. The only representation that should be suitable is being represented as a human being, because that is equality.

There is 7,000,000,000 people representing you.

 

you're just never going to understand, sorry but I don't see a point in furthering this discussion with you.

 

What exactly is there to understand? He made completely valid points there, I don't see why you can't refute them if he doesn't understand. I am sure he would like to be enlightened.

 

I understand quite well. You're a human being, the same as the other 7,000,000,000 human beings. Treating you any other way is inequality in itself.

Identity politics is the most ignorant thing to come out of your generation; and it only serves to make the world more divisive.

What you are doing by dismissing me as a group of people is the same thing a lot of other people do; enshrine themselves in their own points of view and dismiss other's viewpoints by some arbitrary means.

Equality means the same, and demands everyone is treated exactly the same way. This isn't first grade, not everyone deserves a participation medal. Your trophy is surviving in the world, just like the rest of us on this planet.

 

No. By my logic, if someone had cancer, and pushed for a 'defeat cancer' month because "we have to remind ourselves that we can live", I would be upset if there were a disease that killed as many or more people that wasn't recognized.



This is a bad analogy, though, because people with cancer aren't pushing for equality, and then trying to give themselves special privlidges. They're trying to not die.


Just so you know, Cancer is such a big deal because it (using models) is predicted to have killed (because actual data has a lag of four years or so) over 500,000 people in the us in 2015.

That's about 9x more than guns and cars combined.

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Well said.

 

Damn. I finally agree with Deinen on something.

Now something on topic:

Yeah, I get it. You're gay and you got rights. Neat. You overcame a struggle. I was a bullied as kid, brought to the point of attempting suicide. Do I get a special month for bully victims? Of course not. Get off your high horse and live like a normal human being if that is why you fought for your rights. Cancer survivors better have a whole month as well as anyone else that survived a chronic health disease. In the end, gays and lesbians aren't special. They are just like everyone else who obtained rights (women, blacks, etc).

 

LGBT people aren't pushing for special privileges. I understand that cancer is terrible and kills many many people. The comparison was about your train of thought, not which is worse.

 

Are you saying that people can't be disgusted by the idea of pedophilia? People are rightfully disgusted by pedophilia because the actions that it causes are awful and disgusting. I agree that people shouldn't be disgusted by pedophiles, because, like you said, they can't help it (and as long as they don't act on it, they aren't prevented from being decent people); however, that doesn't mean that people shouldn't be disgusted by pedophilia.

Also, even if pedophilia didn't cause anything harmful (which is obviously does), wouldn't people still have the right to be disgusted by it? On the "Gay Rights" thread, you said, "I am finding more and more that this is a social problem for the majority; no longer are people allowed to be "uncomfortable" of others," in order to make a statement about how people should be allowed to feel uncomfortable with others. I know that your purpose in saying that people shouldn't be disgusted with pedophilia when they're partaking in gay pride was to point out hypocrisy, but is a gay person being uncomfortable with someone openly being a pedophile worse than a straight person being uncomfortable with a seeing someone being openly gay or trans? Regardless of how pedophilia causes bad things, doesn't everyone have the individual right to be uncomfortable with someone openly being a pedophile, even if they never act on it? Doesn't everyone have the right to be uncomfortable or disgusted by anyone or anything, as long as they don't harm anyone because of it?

If you go to the Wikipedia article titled "Gay Pride," the purpose of it is listed as, "the positive stance against discrimination and violence toward lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people to promote their self-affirmation, dignity, equality rights, increase their visibility as a social group, build community, and celebrate sexual diversity and gender variance." One thing of importance here is where it says, "equality rights," because one of the main rights that gay people have worked for (and are still working for in many countries) is the right to get married and/or have a relationship. Because of the fact that a pedophilic relationship is obviously harmful, pedophiles shouldn't get these same rights. So, for there to be no hypocrisy and for "pedophile pride" to exist and to function the same was as gay pride, it would have to be working for something that is obviously bad.

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We don't need a pride month, but there's no problem in having it and supporting people. If anyone dislikes it, it's easy enough to just not participate. Also, I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "join them."

I'm not entirely sure how accurate that list is. The main character on the 100 is bisexual and she's not listed on there.

It's true that, for the most part, there's nothing more or less special about any individual; however, it's not true that everybody is exactly the same. While the differences between people may be insignificant overall, every individual is still different from everybody else. There's no issue with wanting to see a fictional character that you can relate to past the point of the character also being human.

 

are there 100 major characters in that show? also, isn't it only on netflix, if so netflix isnt tv. (it is but not in the way imelxp ment i dont think)

 

There are gays on Christian radio

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I feel bad for left wing politics. It's been hijacked by SJWs fighting for "social equality" behind fabricated, perpetual victimhood

 

ehh, the SJW's tend to stay on there dumb forums. (reddit)

 

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