The Burkini Ban

Seriously, why has nobody posted a thread about this yet?
Anyway, I think last Saturday, @DwarFmorf101 posed this question in /g:
(G/TownsG)(Exclusive)DwarFpoo: Seriously, what is a burkini
To which I replied:
(G/TownsG)(Exclusive)CaveSpiderSam: It's a one-piece swimsuit worn by Muslim women.
He replied:
(G/TownsG)(Exclusive)DwarFpoo: So why is it banned in the frenchland?
I had no answer for that, apart from:
(G/TownsG)(Exclusive)CaveSpiderSam: Because apparently it "identifies with terrorist organizations".
I did a quick Google search on my conveniently nearby phone for "why is the burkini banned", and it came up with a series of newspaper articles on the ban.
Some of the reasons were as follows:

• Because it "overtly manifests adherence to a religion at a time when France and places of worship are the subject of terrorist attacks."
• Nice's deputy mayor wrote to the PM: "Hiding the face or wearing a full-body costume to go to the beach are not compatible with our idea of social relations"

• Because apparently it "identifies with terrorist forces that are at war with France."

What some people have said about the ban:

• From the creator of the burkini, Aheda Zanetti: "I created the burkini to give women freedom, not to take it away.

• Interior minister Bernard Caseneuve "A law banning the full-body burkini swimsuit in France would stoke tensions between communities and be both unconstitutional and ineffective.

• Lots of people, including some respected terror analysts, have said that such a ban would be counterproductive, encouraging people to fight back in a supposed 'war on Muslims in France'.

So, should it have been banned or not? Discuss.

 

It's literally the same stuff Muslim women wear all day... just tighter.

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable swimming in a pool with someone wearing that, but if that's what they have to do, who am I to say no. I don't think it should be banned.

I get where France is coming from with the restrictions, but I don't think it's helping the situation any.

 

I could not care less about what someone else is wearing. Although I better not see you at the beach in scuba suit and a swimming cap, who knows what you're plotting.

 

End of the day, France government is passing or have passed a law to ban all bans. Yeah that's a thing and a funny law.

I strongly disgaree with the stripping of the women on the French beach, that in itself was wrong, especially publically. However, anything that requires police to identify the person, such as a burka should probably be taken off, if identification is needed.
However, you are dealing with a culture from such a regressive country and really in most cases it is the men telling the women that they have to cover themselves, they are the problem here, in my opinion. It is the same in other countries in the past where bikinis only were a thing.

People should be allowed to where whatever they want to!

 

If they can't respect our laws then we don't have to respect theirs

 

I would understand the post above mine if not for the fact that a) it generalizes all Muslim people into being law-breaking criminals and b) it weren't advocating for a law that completely suppresses people's ability to dress as they please simply because of their religion, all the whilst spreading unneeded hatred. This type of law I would hope to be see broken. It's to the same caliber as if your government passed a law against having fun. Am I going to break it? Of course. Why? Because it's absolutely ridiculous. Perhaps if this law had some merit I would agree, but to me this is laughable.

 

What do you mean by this, just so i can be clarified.

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But just at the basic level, such a naive way of looking at a scenario, but hey you might and i hope are trying to troll.

 

This is a frightening step against civil liberties from our friends across the pond. The notion that clothing is banned in America is nearly unthinkable, regardless of connotations.

This individual example is not frightening, but the slope it makes certainly is. Come on, the French has been almost the most zealous in the pursuit of freedom. If their citizenry do not support freedom, then it deserves the tyranny.

 

You think people give a crap about this? They saw what happened in Paris, that's more than enough for them to support the restriction however stupid it might seem to an outside observer. They don't see the muslims living there as 'their' citizens. Again, they are more than happy to take away as much as possible from them.

 

If French Muslims/Muslim Immigrants wish to enjoy the freedom's that Western Countries have spent thousands of years perfecting, fought hundreds of wars and spilled rivers of blood to pay for, the least they could do is respect the customs, culture and norms of that said society. Plus, liberals love to talk about body shaming so the Burka and Burkini should be the ultimate form of body shaming and suppression against Muslim women; liberals should love this new law.

 

I'm just gonna put my 2 cents in which is probably only worth .1% of a zimbabwean dollar. But quiet frankly banning this in my opinion is blatantly racist. Now whether or not the leaders in that country want to be racist is a different story but I don't feel it's right. That's like if a group of Americans went and did some terroristic stunt in China, in return they ban cowboy hats (You know what I mean)

 

It's a really dumb ban when you think about it. You have the extremist ideology of jihadists who were brought up in an "us vs them" mindset in the Middle East, and, wouldn't you think that a ban on something that allows Muslim women to practice their faith in public would only add fuel to the jihadist fire.

And, as deinen said perfectly, isn't this an intrusion on French social liberties? There's truly nothing about the burkhini that should warrant a ban such as indecent exposure or dangerous materials. If anything it's simply an extremely modest item of clothing designed for bathing.
To take it a step further also, the French high court ruled that the ban was indeed unconstitutional and told the mayors of the 50 some cities to lift the ban, however many of those mayors refused. What does that say about the strength of both the French courts' influence as well as the French government's ability to enforce judicial rulings? Additionally, if the French cannot control and repeal laws made my mayors in their jurisdiction, doesn't this indicate a political weakness and instability that members of ISIL and other jihadist groups would be dying to exploit?

 

Thousands may be an overstatement lol.

 

Does Western culture not include the freedom to express oneself however you wish as long as it harms nobody?

 

Not really, if we go over to their country we are forced to abide by their laws but if they come over here they don't abide by ours and try and force theirs on us

 

Omg... So you're from france? And saying that the law is fine and they shouldn't be allowed to wear whatever they want to.

 

A burkini is basically a full body wet suit. How the heck do you expect a terrorist to squeeze a bomb into that. Plus once the water got into it, the bomb would be wrecked anyway. Besides how many terrorist attacks have happened at beaches in France??? Only one i can think of is the shooting that happened a while back, and that aint got anything to do with swimwear.

 

Muslims arn't a race.

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For better or worse, it's a "line in the sand" to prevent the Islamization of European countries. European far-right governments are the only ones talking about Islamic terror honestly (that is to say, Islam is part of the problem), which leads to typically far-right 'solutions'.

I don't think this is about preventing terrorism on beaches. It's moreso "This is our culture, assimilate or GTFO. We're fed-up of giving ground to Islam, so 'deal with it'.".

 

Thank you for correcting me I mean prejudice.

 

One thing I hate is when people pin this on refugees. Do you know how long and costly an application into a refugee program can be? It's much, much quicker and much more cost-effective for them to board a plane themselves.