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Being Smart, good or bad?

Discussion in 'Debates' started by Ranger0203, Jun 14, 2016.

  1. Supreme_Overlord

    Supreme_Overlord Popular Meeper

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    I'm not sure that intelligence actually has any effect on self-esteem. Perhaps it's just that intelligent people with low self-esteem are likely to have it for these reasons, whereas dumber people with low self-esteem are likely to have it for other reasons.
    Interesting.

    It definitely makes sense that this Dunning-Kruger effect exists, but at the same time, this surely doesn't mean that every confident or cocky person is less intelligent than every modest person. There definitely are some confident/cocky intelligent people that are confident because they are completely aware of how smart they are.

    Furthermore, it's completely possible that some of (or a lot of) the students that scored the highest could have expected to score that high, but to be smart about it, they chose to say that they expected to do worse than they actually did so that they wouldn't be disappointed and/or seem foolish if they didn't do as well as they actually expected to.

    Another mention-able thing is that there's a difference between having low self-esteem and being skeptical as to whether or not you're going to do well on something. It's also completely possible that some of (or a lot of) the students that scored the highest had high self-esteem and were just doubtful as to whether or not they'd actually do well on that specific test.

    While it seems like this Dunning-Kruger effect is accurate in it's claim that more intelligent people tend to act modest when it comes to their expectations of themselves, that doesn't mean that they actually are more modest (or that they act modest in general). It's completely possible that a lot of these intelligent people had high expectations of themselves and acted modest to be safe and/or that they actually had high self-esteem and were just skeptical as to if they could do well on that test.
     
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  2. Ranger0203

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    True, but that doesn't mean the rule doesn't still exist,even though there are exceptions.

    For that specific test, yes, but the Dunning-Kruger effect wasn't based off of just one test, I believe.

    There is, but it goes something like this:

    If you have high self esteem, then you will be confident in your abilities (for the most part).
    BUT, just because you are confident in one action, it doesn't mean you have high self esteem.

    If they had high self esteem they wouldn't be uncertain whether they would do well.
     
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    Absolutely.
    Couldn't people be smart about it and say that they expect to do worse than they actually expect to do on almost any type of test? Even though we don't know exactly what the other tests were, I don't see any reason why this couldn't still happen.
    Not necessarily. Someone that scored high on the test could have very high self-esteem because of the fact that they're super social, popular, and good-looking, even though they don't feel like they're that intelligent at all. Furthermore, someone might even have high self-esteem based off of the fact that they feel like they're intelligent, yet without knowing what exactly is going to be on the test, they worry that they might not do well.
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  4. Ranger0203

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    A) I posted this really late.
    B) I did cons right.
    C) Thank you for pointing it out xD
     
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    it is
     
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