If you can vote, who will you vote for; if you can't, who would you want to vote for?

Sorry for the fact I didn't listin to any of you and this post will make you go "no duh"


I question the fact why Donald Trump is leading in the polls. He's racist, terrible, and an absolute joke. The fact he wants to "build a wall" so he can block the U.S.A (I live in Canada) from foreign countries seems like a dream that'll never happen. Or a nightmare. He's also stupid.

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i apologize for this, i just read that "this thread isn't on insulting"

 

@PixelPizza (PizzaBoy373) that doesn't answer the question, who would you vote for?

 

That hasn't actually been established, and thanks to quantum physics (pesky, amirite?), we cannot predict with accuracy the future (I'm talking on a grand scale, not, like, charting the paths of celestial bodies), and the more complex the series of events, and the farther out they are, the harder it gets.

 

Trump

 

It would actually only cost, like, $11 billion. A high estimate of $25 billion.
Illegals cost Americans over $300 billion annually (according to the NRC [National Research Council]), not to mention the $23 billion that immigrants (both legal and illegal) send to family in Mexico (out of our economy, which is arguably more harmful).

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How would it be a nightmare? I can only be good (unless you're arguing the economics, but the cost of the wall, even if it were $100 billion, which is 4x the high estimate, wouldn't be a huge burden. Not compared to our military budget, our welfare budget.)

 

Ew

 

Question for the Hillary supporters:
What about the fact that she changes her mind like the weather forecast? 'I change my views with new data' is hardly valid, considering she flipped on gay marriage. What new data could she possibly have learnt about gay marriage to make her change her mind?

 

Agree + And What would it take for you not to vote for her? It seems like for both Trump and Hillary no matter what is dug up about either of them their supporters just blindly follow or try to justify their actions. If a normal person did half of what Hillary has done, they would be put away for years. At least Trump Apologized for what he said, Hillary just tries to cover up what she did.

 

shes a "popular" politician meaning she votes for whatever is popular. If there was a vote to nuke NATO and it was a popular idea she would be voting for it regardless of the consequences. Anything that will get people to vote for her is what she stands for. Notice how in the debates all of her statements are these fluffy "we will make the economy fairer", "I will raise the minimum wage", "we will be stronger together"? She simply looks to appeal to voters. Likely, she only has the interests of her foundation in mind, rather than the voters, as that's where the money is.

 

Correct, she is a life politician. Her message changes depending on the voters. I dislike her, buuut...Trump is literally an authoritarian lunatic. Sooooo, at this point, little choice to be had

 

fwiw I'm just anti-Trump. I think it's a lesser of two evils proposition.

"'I change my views with new data' is hardly valid" -- I actually think that's exactly how we should work.

She's a capitalist power-hungry shill that 'focus groups' every other sentence. She surrounds herself with loyal and sycophantic aides that will lie through their teeth to protect her image, almost no matter the cost.

But she's not Trump. She'll hold the country together. Sure, she won't fix any of the problems with insider politics right now, but she almost certainly won't run civilization off a cliff either. All she wants is power and influence. I would concede that she's a morally deficient human-being. But she seems damn smart. She has the most experience as we've likely ever seen in a candidate. She'll give us 4 years (at least) of stability, which is what America needs right now with growing global threats that have the potential to send humanity hurtling toward oblivion. Someone can both be a reprehensible person *and* be good at their job. I think Clinton fits this description well.

 

Im afriad that once she is in power she will do anything to keep it. And it has come up now that she does have a lot of dealing with russia and that the email hack was an inside job...
We need someone who is not just focused on their personal gain, but the gain of America. she will make us weak and open us up for attacks. Trumps a bully so we wont be as weak with him as our president. She is smart, smart enough to ride the system control the media and make the democrats blindly follow her.

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No body likes trump anymore not really... He has proven he not terribly bright. so why not elect him then kick him out next election when we have better choices, Hillary wont be as easy to get rid of she will hang on as hard and long as possible and when she goes down, there is no telling what she will bring down with her.

 

Pence would make a better president than trump and Hillary combined

 

IKR!

 

How will she make America weak? Why do you think Trump will be better for America? Why do you think you'll be stronger as a country with Trump as president? What does 'strong' even mean, in that sense?

> He has proven he not terribly bright. so why not elect him then kick him out next election when we have better choices

I think your statement answers itself. He's not smart. *That's* why.

Any process by which you reform the establishment is more intelligent than this. Sending in the most inexperienced blustering narcissistic trigger-happy authoritarian, just so you can fix a broken system? It's just not the best way to do it, not even close.

You're playing a game of chicken with life, but no-one's in the other car. We need stability in times like this. Terrorism, Refugee Crisis, Russia, Racial Hatred, Theocracy, Artificial Intelligence, Supergerms, The threat of another economic crash, Automation of jobs... etc. The list goes on. These are tumultuous times. We need someone that's politically sober at the wheel to guide us through it, corrupt scumbag or not.

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If you love theocrats, sure.

 

Terrorism Hillary couldn't get ride of it when Isis had 30 members... She will make the US weak cuz all she cares about is her self, not the well being of others. there is no best way to reform our system except completely restarting. Hillary is evil, and trump is mean. trumps talks crap, Hillary does Crap. no one is int the car? that's not true Obama is in the car and look were he drove us. Might I add That It was you guys who put him there... Now you are replacing him with worse and saying that it will be better, I am sick of all the double talk and back biting in the debates, We are all going to live with our choices so make them wisely, I have no say in the voting because I am under age, but what you vote could make or brake my future. i have had a hard enough life as it is, there has not been one good president in office since I was born, i can't walk down the streets anymore with out being afraid. So when our next leader is elected, and if they do horrible things, it is you the voters who are responsible. I have always been a good judge of character my parents say I have a gift. When I look at Hillary I see that she is rotten to the core

 

Terrorism Hillary couldn't get ride of it when Isis had 30 members...

I don't quite understand what you mean by this. Could you elaborate for me, please?

She will make the US weak cuz all she cares about is her self, not the well being of others.

When you're a populist leader, they're typically entwined. I don't think she's an egoist, she just wants power.

there is no best way to reform our system except completely restarting.

Proof, please?

Hillary is evil, and trump is mean. trumps talks crap, Hillary does Crap.

That's because she's had 30+ years as a career politician learning how tough that job is. Trump hasn't had the opportunity to "do crap" in politics yet. His "crap" outside of it should speak for itself. Racial discrimination, sexual assault, tax avoidance, stealing from small businesses, etc.

no one is int the car? that's not true Obama is in the car and look were he drove us.

I don't think this analogy was clear. Please let me clarify. Your best hopes of reform come from a a political asteroid that'll smash politics to pieces. You seem to think Trump is the wrecking-ball of candidates that'll shake things up so much, that *something* will change for the better. But that doesn't seem to be true at all. It's the equivalent of jamming a stick in the wheels, closing your eyes, and hoping the car avoids on-coming traffic. Any means by which you reform the system is by definition more intelligent than what's being suggested.

Might I add That It was you guys who put him there... Now you are replacing him with worse and saying that it will be better,

Please don't play the 'identity politics' card, man. I actually believe Obama would be better than Hillary. If we could have 4 more years of Obama, instead of Hillary or Trump? I would. But that's not the choice we have in front of us, sadly. (I'm not even an Obama fan either!)

I am sick of all the double talk and back biting in the debates,

You say that, but then why did you get tribalistic when discussing Obama just now?

We are all going to live with our choices so make them wisely,

Odd choice of words given that you think Trump is inherently good for world politics just because you think he'll smash U.S. Politics to pieces.

I have no say in the voting because I am under age, but what you vote could make or brake my future.

Think of the children!

i have had a hard enough life as it is, there has not been one good president in office since I was born,

Haha, kind of hard when you're so young!

i can't walk down the streets anymore with out being afraid.

Thanks Obama.

Seriously though, how is that Obama's fault?

So when our next leader is elected, and if they do horrible things, it is you the voters who are responsible.

I don't believe this is entirely true, but I get the gist of what you're saying. Some would argue that all of the choices have been pretty bad, to be honest.

I have always been a good judge of character my parents say I have a gift.

Mate, come on. They're your parents. They're going to praise you.

When I look at Hillary I see that she is rotten to the core

Doesn't seem like a "wise" assessment of who should be the next president though, does it? She's rotten, agreed. But being a president is so much more than taking donations from Wall St.

 

Pence is worse than Trump. He is another evangelical, who are unable to stop pushing their fairy tale on Americans. Conversion therapy, defunding planned parenthood.

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That is on you. Look at FBI statistics, America is literally safer than its ever been.

 

Okay I see the point you're making here, but did you also know that Hillary Clinton wants to go to war with Russia? She stated less than a month ago that she is intending to make Syria a no-fly-zone. This is what General Joseph Dunford has to say on that: "..for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia,”.

In 2013 Hillary said, in a speech to Goldman Sachs, that imposing a no-fly-zone on Syria would "Kill a lot of Syrians", due to Syrian air defenses being in populous areas. Do you really consider a woman who supports the killing of civilians, in Syria, and to possibly start a war with Russia, the... Lesser of two evils? Donald Trump may be a racist and a sexist, but I would rather have a man who says bad things as president than a woman who will do terrible things.

I agree completely, I am not saying that statement is wrong. I am saying that Hillary does not change her views with new data, she changes it to what will get her the most votes, and claims it is because of new data.

btw, I am in no way a Trump supporter, I just dislike him less than Hillary.

I have something to admit. 30 years ago, Hillary Clinton sexually assaulted me. I know it looks bad that I never came out in the decades after it happened, and it's simply a coincidence that she's a presidential candidate while I finally admit this, I just can't live with it anymore.

Do you get my point?

a .75 strength obama? So... I guess instead of tripling the national debt, she'll only double it?

 

Okay I see the point you're making here, but did you also know that Hillary Clinton wants to go to war with Russia? She stated less than a month ago that she is intending to make Syria a no-fly-zone. This is what General Joseph Dunford has to say on that: "..for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia,”.

And every time she's been pressed on that, she admits that it isn't really a no-fly zone. She's misusing that word. "Do as I say, not as I do.", is what she's selling.

In 2013 Hillary said, in a speech to Goldman Sachs, that imposing a no-fly-zone on Syria would "Kill a lot of Syrians", due to Syrian air defenses being in populous areas. Do you really consider a woman who supports the killing of civilians, in Syria, and to possibly start a war with Russia, the... Lesser of two evils?

I'm not sure how closely you've been following this election, but Donald Trump explicitly stated that he'd intentionally target the families of terrorists (civilians) live on television in front of millions. Multiple times. Both in the primary and presidential debates.

Killing civilians and targeting civilians are very different. Regrettably, you have to kill civilians if you want to take out terrorists. It's the unfortunate inevitability of 'Collateral Damage'.

Donald Trump may be a racist and a sexist, but I would rather have a man who says bad things as president than a woman who will do terrible things.

Words *are* actions. Minutes after Hillary said she'd be tough on private prisons, stocks in private prisons plummeted. Words matter. We have good reason to believe that Trump's actions will be much worse than Hillary's.

I agree completely, I am not saying that statement is wrong. I am saying that Hillary does not change her views with new data, she changes it to what will get her the most votes, and claims it is because of new data.

She's a populist, right. She's accountable to the whims of her people. That's not a terrible thing, necessarily. Not ideal, but not awful.

Do you get my point?

No. He said that you can just, "Grab them by the p***y". Anyway, I'm not in the business of mind-reading his accusers. At the very least, we know he wanted to cheat on his pregnant wife, and encourage the woman he was trying to court to cheat on her husband too. S'not great, man.

a .75 strength obama? So... I guess instead of tripling the national debt, she'll only double it?

The productivity of conversations are contingent on the seriousness of your questions. But I'll have a crack at it anyway.

Actually, it seems that he only added ~50% to the national debt as opposed to 200%. Most importantly, in relation to GDP? It only went up by somewhere between 20%-50%.

United States Government Debt to GDP | 1940-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar

How Much Did Obama Add to the Nation's Debt?