'Pride Month'

That's *his* criteria though. I'll let him defend his own claims for the time being. I'm just focussed on mine, yours, and Denien's.

The key difference is that homosexuality isn't a mental illness. When gays are told; that there's something 'wrong' with them, that it isn't natural or 'good', that they need to change? It's pure hocum. They're fine. Events like the one's we're talking about allow both homosexuals and societies to come to terms with the idea that gays are healthy normal people just like you and me. They foster a welcoming environment for those in the closet, desensitize public opinion of gays, and increase awareness.

On the contrary, paedophilia isn't a value we want to embrace as a society. It isn't natural or 'good', and there *is* something wrong with this behaviour. Most importantly though (as you've eluded to) our reaction to them should be one of compassion. We should understand their plight, and (key difference here) not indulge their feelings or behaviour. We should look at paedophilia in a similar way we look at schizophrenia. Console them, seek professional assistance as soon as possible to try and find ways to mitigate the problem. Homosexuals don't need professional help, they need societal acceptance. Because it isn't a mental illness. The onus is on society, rather than the individual. And while we should assist those with mental illnesses, the message is clearly one of solidarity through a period of change, rather than (with homosexuality) solidarity through refusal to change.

 

please... for the love of god... go outside... read a newspaper- anything

 

I'm not bothered about most of these celebratory days and months they mean nothing to me. Most of the time I am unaware that there is something coming up.

 

You don't walk into a breast cancer research center and yell "There's other diseases too!". Because by your logic, you would totally do this.

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There is nothing in the DNA or hormones that make people predetermined to be pedophiles. There is, however, a lot of research to back the claim that people are predetermined at birth to be gay. That said, the main difference between being gay and being a pedophile is that one is controllable and the other is not.

Also, one involves consenting adults and the other does not...

 

@Skaros123 get your mind out of the gutter! the peeta-files just like the hungergames a lot. (a lot)

 

Being a pedophile isn't a choice... to act upon those pedophilic desires is a choice.

 

I would like to say that again: the definition of pedophilia I am using is sexual attraction to children. The definition of gay I am using is sexual attraction to the same sex.
According to TheDebathiest, pedophilia is a mental illness.
Which would make it uncontrollable, no?
The attraction itself is what I'm saying. Not acts that stem from it.

Furthermore, I would actually like to argue that pedophilia is not a mental illness. It is an inborn attraction, such as being gay.
"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders defines pedophilia as an intense and recurrent sexual interest in prepubescent children, and a disorder if it causes a person “marked distress or interpersonal difficulty” or if the person acts on his interests. Yet our laws ignore pedophilia until after the commission of a sexual offense, emphasizing punishment, not prevention." (Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html?_r=0)
As you can read here, the experts that Debathiest cited at the DSM-5 actually do not classify pedophilia as a disorder until it causes them "'marked distress or interpersonal difficulty'or if the person acts on his interests".

Additionally, from that article,
"A second misconception is that pedophilia is a choice. Recent research, while often limited to sex offenders — because of the stigma of pedophilia — suggests that the disorder may have neurological origins. "
They might have been talking about these:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...brains-wired-to-find-children-attractive.html Kiel, Germany
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115 Toronto, Canada
Same study, but also mentioned "Many people don't know that doctors classify pedophilia as an illness, though only if the person or another suffers as a result of the urges. "According to the new American psychiatric classification system, a person is only classified as a pedophile if that person acts on their sexual attraction to children - or at least suffers from the fact that they have this attraction," said Ponseti. "If he has this attraction without abusing a child, then we can call it a sexual orientation.""
http://www.dw.com/en/scientists-find-brain-differences-in-pedophiles/a-16305968

As per above, neither is pedophilia.

The issue is not gay rights - it is that people are being hypocritical with this month.
Pedophiles need social acceptance too. I can't imagine the self-loathing I would feel if I were sexually attracted to children, though I never had acted on it.
Because of this, I question why gays accepting themselves is fine, but pedophiles accepting themselves is wrong - not acting on it, per se, but acknowledging that they are human and not a monster as well.

 

I'm not talking about raising awareness for specific people, I realize that white people need no awareness raised. I am talking about public displays of pride in your particular heritage.

My point is that white people, or any other group should equally be welcome to hold non-discriminatory public displays of pride without being seen as a bigot as well.

 

Pedophilia does not work in the same way as sexual orientation.

That's not exactly how it works with pedophilia...

 

They have no choice in this matter. It may be sick and twisted regarding their fantasies but in my eyes it's not their fault in any way. If they could choose to be "normal" they most likely would in an instant.


If you're still skeptical, have a read of this http://www.salon.com/2015/09/21/im_a_pedophile_but_not_a_monster/ the original post that made me see pedophiles in a different light was one from imgur however I can't find it so this one is its replacement.

 

If you see it that way, it's important to note that sexual orientation and pedophilia work in very different ways. There's an entire process predetermined before birth on how people are born LGBT and what not.

As for pedophilia, I don't really see a lot of evidence that it works at all in the same way as sexual orientation. It's one thing to say it's not a choice, it's another thing to associate it with gays...

 

Ehhhh....Let's not get too far with pedos. In all honestly pedos should be taken to the woods and shot.

 

Well... only if they actually go ahead and force a child to do something. I don't think people should be punished just for having urges. But yea, if someone forces a child to do something like that, then to hell with them.

 

I use the term pedo to classify someone who has had relations of that type with a child. People have urges to kill, but they are not murderers.

 

Okay... if you guys are done with your conversation about pedos and murderers, lets get this discussion back on track.

 

Did you read the studies I linked?

The reason I was on the topic was to point out a hypocrisy in the supposed celebration of equality. If people believed this were a holiday to celebrate equality and social acceptance of people who have certain feelings they can't control, why is such a holiday for a separate group so horrible? It's this hypocrisy that not only plagues this 'gay pride month' but also the LGBT+ community, who base themselves around equality but often forget that they are not entitled to more than that. Speaking mostly of SJWs and tumblrites there.

Let me reiterate:

I am not saying anyone anywhere goes out and molests people, pedophiles or gays. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in the ideals of the gay pride month: people find this perfectly fine, but god forbid someone accept that they have a certain sexual orientation.

 

Like I said in a previous post. It's important to note they work in very different ways.

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It's kind of the fact that gays face a lot of discrimination in the nation. Well, at least they used to face more. Things seem to start to be leveling off.

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It's not a bad thing to celebrate (even if your group has historically been less oppressed). It just seems that people that celebrate for some groups tend to hold a lot of bias against the minority group. Like I said, the "Heterosexual Awareness Month" celebrators have posted a LOT of homophobic stuff on their media. It really made me question whether or not they are celebrating being straight or just trying to find a reason to fight against gay pride.

 

there's still no month for attack helicopters

 

Here's the way I see it. Any group of people deserve recognition for what they have overcome, but a whole month is kind of crazy. We don't need to make a whole month recognizing any group. Most of the U.S. is completely okay with many groups of people. I see no reason to have a hissy fit over letting a group of people who CLEARLY had struggles get recognition. I know I have had trouble dealing with this topic. People even this year continue to harass me for being "queer", but I am not going to demand a whole month of recognition. Perhaps a day, or week would work. In fact, I know a lot of people who also identify with the LGBT community and think pride month is stupid. Yes we deserve recognition, but do we need to demand a whole month and fight with people who disagree? No. I also know several people who will act like this. (*cough* Tumblr *cough*) These people bother me so much. They feel like everyone is STILL against them just because they won't "respect their pronouns". These people are widely accepted into the community and still get mad at people for simple things. Pride day, yes. Pride month seems a little ridiculous tbh. The reason there is no straight pride month is because these recognition "holidays" are made to show people that society recognizes their struggles and how they are welcome into the community. Also, how the hell did this turn into pedophelia? Please get back on topic

 

It was on topic >.> I was pointing out the hypocrisy.